The Debate Room MH370 The Plane That Disappeared

Welcome to the debate room. It's June 9th. I'm so pumped for this episode. We're getting the truth today. One of Dustin's old friends. I've been informing myself for the past week on the subject. We have Ashton Forbes. Dustin, are you so excited? I I actually so I've This is one of my favorite guests and favorite topics and one of the coolest stories of like just investigative human journalism and relentlessness like and the the cool thing for me is like Ashton came into a Twitter space like very very very early in his journey on this whole thing. And watching it go from like what was MH370 to like oh well now there's this physicist Salvatore Pais who holds all these incredible patents on all of this different he's basically taught himself advanced physics to be able to just explain each part of the story kind of as it goes along. And what's cool about Ashton is in this space we deal with a lot of kooky people who just like I read something on the internet and like now I totally believe it. Ashton is like the exact opposite which is Ashton forced himself to learn like the actual like okay this is something that's unexplainable and really strange but nothing's actually unexplainable like I'm going to figure out what the hell this whole thing is so like I can't I'm these are always great discussions there's been new breaking news. We also have like a bunch of other alien related stuff for all our usual Bitcoiners they're going to love this too because it just it gets into government secrets and hidden technology and how we have to do all this stuff. So let's get Ashton in here and it it I promise it'll be an amazing discussion. What is up Ashton? Thanks for coming. So you're mute Oh hey Dana I got it. Okay I dealt with that problem. I hey Dana how's it going? Thank you Dustin for that that beautiful introduction. I think you really laid it out for the people that are new in terms of how I came about and involved in these various communities and even on just social media in general. A a shout out to all the people in those early X spaces where it was just like straight-up grassroots us talking about weird conspiracy stuff and me just trying to be like, "Guys, there's actually something to this. You guys got to look at this." I I I remember you were so insistent. You'd be like, "You guys need like this is not like there is something here." And what what's interesting is is where it went though, right? Which is we kind of started at this point where it's like, "Okay, there's this video. It appears to be real. And I don't know how to explain any of it." And that leads to energy, right? So like as part of that explanation, you're like, "Okay, if What what Why why don't we just give people the very beginning? Is this the video here?" Yeah, this is one of the two videos. So, there's two videos, right? That's the biggest part about it, why it was so so compelling. Is there's two videos and we look at this video we at the time especially had no idea what we're looking at. We're like, "Is this What am I looking at here? Where's this taken from? Like a satellite or whatever?" The video's called satellite video airliner and UFOs. And so we're also thinking, "Okay, they said UFOs in the video title." So look at what I mean, seeing UFOs, right? Like this This is actually the best UFO video I've ever seen in terms of like what Congress has released right now. But this actually is not a satellite video and it's actually not technically video at all. By definition, it's not video. This is wide area motion imagery and this is recorded by a drone from above and it actually is a computer program that takes the photos that the drone is taking and builds this out. And so this is actually a real a surveillance system that people didn't even know existed or what it was at all. And what's crazy about it is in the bottom left. I mean, you see this mouse cursor down here in the bottom left as well. It's kind of it changes color depending on the background. It becomes black or it becomes white based on the background. You see that change to black right there, right in the middle. So, in the bottom left, there are coordinates, like six decimal places coordinates, like when you're on Google Earth, like kind of coordinates. And this means we know this real location here. So, right away, people start plugging these coordinates in, and they're like, "Wait, that's the Nicobar Islands. Like, didn't there a plane disappear somewhere around here?" Oh, yeah, like Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 disappeared. Like, if you take the last radar coordinates in the Andaman Sea and the Straits of Malacca, and you just go straight for another 10-20 minutes, you run into these coordinates right here. And you're like, "What? How can that be a coincidence here?" So, this is just the first video, and you can see this mouse cursor on the screen.

10-20 minutes, you run into these coordinates right here. And you're like, "What? How can that be a coincidence here?" So, this is just the first video, and you can see this mouse cursor on the screen. So, what I'll tell you is we can now know what this is. Once upon a time, I had no clue what I was looking at. It was a satellite video. I was thinking there's satellites looking down. I had no idea. But, actually, this Gorgon Stare wide-area motion imagery, they have this huge battle map. Like, imagine you're looking at a whole city, right? I'm going to pull this back just for a second cuz I want to point out Actually, that's fine. We can leave it. I'll I'll go to the second video. So, you're looking at a huge battle map, and then you click on a part of it, and then a window pops up. But, the window is like more zoomed in. That's what this Gorgon Stare wide-area motion imagery can do, and it can have like a hundred windows open at the same time. So, you can imagine someone's got an interface, and they can have window over here, window over here, and they're all playing, and they all have got DVR. So, every single one can be fast-forwarded or rewound or played in real time, you know? So, that's what we're looking at. Someone's got one of those windows open, and the mouse cursor is going past it and over it because they were just recording that window. And that's why it went black at the end. It plays for like another minute. So, the second video here, because that first video, you like, you know, most people looked at the first one, and they go, "Well, it just looks like low quality, you know? It's just like this tiny sprite. It could be easy. Well, someone could fake this. There's not a lot of detail to it except for the clouds. Clouds are like super high detail in there. And also that's night time. That's night time footage. So, you might say, "Well, how can that be night time?" Well, how can we also have orbs that make a plane disappear out of the sky? So, it's a lot of question marks. Now, this one is a comparison video I'm going to play, which is the second video with the first video, I think inverted. Yeah, it's inverted next to it. So, you can see the comparison of the motion of these orbs. This second video, I'm just going to pause it for a second. You're looking at MQ-9 Reaper drone. You're looking at the MQ-9 Reaper drone here. And we can tell where the where the camera is under the wing on the It's got to be hard point number five on the MQ-9 Reaper. And I'm guessing this Reaper doesn't have a camera under the nose or you know, we just can't see it. It's just perfectly cut certain way. But this is a almost certainly L-3 Wescam MX-15 which is this advanced targeting pods that normally are on like F-16s. And it's on this MQ-9 Reaper like under the wing for some reason. And this is a custom load out. So, they can technically put anything in here. And it's using this color fleer that we've never seen. Like this is infrared, I think. Or maybe it's an optical with a rainbow palette. It's hard to tell, but I think it's infrared that we're looking at. Um actually, yeah, I'm almost certain it is. And it's got this color palette we've never seen. So, now we get to watch those orbs in a in color thermal. Which now just looking at the context, I have to say this has got to be military or intelligence just from the surveillance capabilities. And also, why am I recording this event in multiple infrared surveillance systems? Like that seems kind of on the nose like you know exactly what you're looking for. Let me point out a detail. We can tell these orbs, they've got these dark lines coming out of them. This is clearly a propulsion mechanism, right? You look at this and you go, "Even if I don't know what this is, there's these lines coming out of it that are going in the direction of where the orb was and where it's going. So, that means that's got to be its propulsion mechanism. And what I'm here to tell you is that's actually fusion propulsion. Those are x-rays coming out of this thing because they're doing fusion inside of it, and fusion releases x-ray byproducts, and then you can usually use it as thrust. And so, it turns out that two of the most prominent fusion companies that do field reverse configuration, that comes from them trying to figure out fusion for thrust. Because field reverse configuration is what they call a linear reactor, which means it's just it's not like a a contained tube like a donut. And what that means is it shoots stuff out of one end. And you're like, oh wait, so kind of like these orbs flying around here? The triangle formation is super important. Dustin mentioned Salvatore Pais. The idea of that the reason why the triangle formation, the perfect triangle formation, that has to do with

like, oh wait, so kind of like these orbs flying around here? The triangle formation is super important. Dustin mentioned Salvatore Pais. The idea of that the reason why the triangle formation, the perfect triangle formation, that has to do with resonance. That has to do with everything being perfectly exact for your resonance because you're creating one unified system. Uh and that's why Salvatore Pais in his patent say, "When we're trying to teleport something, manipulate space-time, we are trying to amplify energy. We are trying to break this Schwinger limit. We're trying to get to energy levels that we thought were impossible either by amplification of energy or bringing down the requirement for bending space-time, essentially." And so, that's what these orbs in a second here are ultimately doing. They're not going to be moving this plane like you would think of like a slingshot. It's more of like moving the space around the plane, like picking up with a cup of water, picking up the water and the fish inside the water, and then just moving it. You wouldn't say that the fish accelerated. You just picked up the region and moved it around it. So, right there, this is actually better in slow-mo because I'm going to pause it here. Look at the heat Look at that crazy heat signature. It's like the most beautiful heat signature I've ever seen in my life on a perfect spherical plasma. It has to be plasma. Why? Because look at how transparent it is. You can actually kind of see it when it goes through the back of the of the plane there. But this heat signature changes from the beginning. Originally, it's like all green. And then it kind of morphs where it's only on one side. And this indicates that like it's a mode change. Like someone turned something on in this. Even with knowing nothing about, you know, engineering, but a mode change happened here. And essentially what I think they did was they they turned on something called high beta plasma, which means they can take the Casimir effect where you have two plates and in quantum mechanics and the plates come together automatically because it pushes out the zero point energy between. They found a way to do that with plasma. And now what they do is they just spin this region this plat this uh green region around and they can produce potentially pull energy straight out of the vacuum. Or maybe that's just a way to simplify the the fusion process or to make the fusion process more efficient, which we currently think is impossible. Well, so so I since I don't think we've ever talked about the Mad Lab. So, I had a I'm one of those guys that like if you stumble across something that you just can't explain like I might be the person you call. I I like like So, I I had a friend who's in real estate and he discovered a secret laboratory in a commercial property he was by. Like secret sub-basement. And he goes in and there's it's just very weird. There's a bunch of spinners. It's a gyroscope lab. It's got all kinds of naval manuals inside of it. We ended up finding over 30 lb of liquid mercury and over 75 different kinds of ball bearings. Right? Which was all about spinning. Just really really fascinating interesting stuff. But the reason I bring it up is when with all of this technology stuff when you first found First of all, where did you find like where did you first stumble across the videos? Let's start there and then we'll move into like kind of the the quick progression and then I want to talk about like the latest updates and like what what it means to like disclosure in general because I I think you finally your relentlessness to go after the facts let us from disclosure of like tell us what the aliens are which is it's always bothered me because like how would who gives a Like like it's not going to it would be a collective yawn to be like oh okay there's aliens like you know like not big disruption. However, if they were hiding something energy related that would completely disrupt like the oil economy like that that actually would be insanely disruptive and maybe there would be legitimate reasons to cover it up. You know what I'm saying? So let's start with where you found the videos and then kind of move into the progression of the technology cuz I even when I listen like it's funny cuz originally you didn't have Gorgon Stare, right? We did we didn't even know it was a Reaper drone. We just had this video and like so kind of take us along the path of like how you got to the point where you could talk about it the way you are. Yeah. Great question. And before you say that the the today too they said that oh some of the cuz you mentioned the types of aliens, you know, I always joke about that. I go look aliens are real, that's fine. I got no problem believing that the aliens are real, but it just doesn't matter in the greater scheme of like how do the aliens get here? Oh, they have warp drive technology. How does that work? And what are their energy sources? Like that to me is like way bigger. And today they go oh, by the way we have they have sentient plasmas. Some of the aliens are sentient plasma Oh, no, sentient plasmoids. Which by the way plasmoids is exactly what those orbs are. That's the

today they go oh, by the way we have they have sentient plasmas. Some of the aliens are sentient plasma Oh, no, sentient plasmoids. Which by the way plasmoids is exactly what those orbs are. That's the plasmoid is the basically the thing inside the field reverse configuration in the fusion reactor. So I'm going oh, they're going to come out and say that that is aliens were zapping the plane that Oh, those are those are alive." And what's crazy about that is I go, "We live in a world now where there's drones everywhere. Amazon is delivering things by drones." I'm going, "Dude, that's a drone. Like, you're going to try to convince me that that's an alien that's alive that's flying around zapping a plane or whatever these other orb videos are." Like, it's just so crazy. So, what I did, to give you the kind of the background, Oh, and sorry, one more thing I want to bring up because I don't want to forget is the the gyroscope thing you brought up. That's actually super important. I don't know if you guys have seen the Veritasium video where they replicate the They take a long metal rod and then they put a heavy weight on the end of it, one that you couldn't normally lift up, 40-lb weight, right? Maybe heavier. So, it'd be very difficult to lift up. And then all they do is they spin the end of the weight. And then suddenly you can just lift it up. And so, people think like, "Whoa, is that anti-gravity? Why suddenly just from the weight spinning can I lift it up?" Well, they come up with these rationals where they go, "No, it's just, you know, the force is being counteracted. It creates this upward force." I'm here to tell you, anti-gravity is just an upwards force. That is anti-gravity. Why is that anti-gravity? Because spin Spin is the way that we can connect electromagnetism to gravity. That's the missing piece, requiring an extra dimension. So, I do want to bring that up is that when people There's all this lore, I like to say, that I've come across in the UFO community and let's call it like the Tesla free energy community. And I think it's like mostly legit or at least has elements of truth to it. And people are just They're They're missing the forest for the trees, essentially. So, what happened with me was I saw the I saw the forest. I saw the bigger picture, I guess, before other people on these videos. I saw, "Oh, wait a minute. If these are possibly real, let's look into these." They first emerged on Reddit. I wasn't anyone special. No one leaked these videos to me. They were on the net just like any other videos. No one was claiming them as their own. No one was claiming they had made them or anything like this. And quickly people proved they had been on the internet for like 10 years almost. They had reemerged in 2023, but we found out they had been on the internet since 2014. First question is how nobody noticed videos for 9 years. But you find out they did. They just they were like posted on Reddit. Nobody paid attention to them. Zero upvotes. You're like, huh. And this is the kind of thing you would expect if there's like a real leak. You're like, wait. This is kind of weird. You know, normally if something's fake, like it gets addressed right away. There's like a big blow up for it, and then it gets addressed, and then it's and it's done. But no. So, the bigger part for me was there was two videos. You tell somebody, even if you tell the debunkers right now, you say, "Hey Mick West, what would be the best evidence you could ask for for UFOs?" You'd say, "Two videos that are military videos of a real live event." I go, "Well, you know what guys? That's MH370 in those videos. That's a real event right there with two videos, and they're both military." And you know what they say? "Well, that's fake." They go, "That's fake." That's the first thing they say. So, I say, "I'm not so sure." I I preach doubt on that. But they're sure the videos are fake, and I say, "Okay, well, who's the hoaxer?" Nobody's ever claimed to make those videos. Or actually, that's not true. A couple of people did, and they got outed to be frauds themselves who were making that up. So, I just started investigating it. But that requires looking into, okay, who leaked the videos? It looks at it requires trying to understand the physics. I mean, we're looking at something that even I thought was absolutely impossible. I'm not here going to lie to you guys and go, "Oh, yeah, I totally I always knew teleportation was possible, or you know, whatever they're doing there, and that we'd have plasma orbs of flying around." No, I'm could never say that. So, I started digging into the science. First person I connected with was Salvatore Pais, because I knew there were these

they're doing there, and that we'd have plasma orbs of flying around." No, I'm could never say that. So, I started digging into the science. First person I connected with was Salvatore Pais, because I knew there were these UFO patents that were out there by this Navy guy, and I'm like, "Well, I think I'm looking at a US related operation here. There's US drones. Maybe I should contact this Navy guy that's got UFO patents and be like, "Hey, do you want to talk?" First thing he does is replies back right away and says, "Set up a podcast." I didn't even have a podcast. I was like a dude with like 1,000 followers on Twitter. I'm like, "Podcast?" Like, you're a Navy engineer that's got Navy patents for UFOs. And so, now I understand why. I've spoken to him now on my podcast five different times, I think, maybe even more than that. And my evolution understanding the sciences has come a really long way. And I realized he's right. Those patents are real. I don't know what the internal drama is, you know, for that that's actually exactly what I was going to mention. The book Faster Than Light by David Froning is exactly who Sal's referencing. So, basically what I did was I just started looking at the the papers that Sal's referencing and the names of the people he's referencing. Hal Puthoff. I'm like, "Okay, let's read this paper." Quickly realized like this guy's got to be at the top of the cover-up of the whole UFO thing. Like, he's doing podcasts talking about it. I'm like, "Wait. This is weird. His physics is the answer." So, check out Salvatore Pais's stuff. And then lastly, just to let before you guys I'll let you ask some more questions. So, I followed that path down and I basically find that, like I said, sure there can be aliens, but the government has absolutely figured this technology out. I don't It doesn't have to come from aliens, either. The science goes back over 100 years all the way back to Tesla. And the idea of an extra dimension and unifying gravity electromagnetism goes all the way back to Kaluza Klein in like 1919. And Ferris wheel is probably one of the most prominent people that rediscovered it when he figured out he calls it the 5D dynamic theory, which basically takes torque spin and that's what how he unifies electromagnetism. He can even come up with the magnetic moment of the Earth from the spin of the Earth. And he's a guy The reason why he's so important is like, "Who's this guy? Ferris wheel never heard of him." Cuz he was actually a Navy engineer/scientist. Never got a PhD. And I'll tell you why. He could have gotten it easily. Because he corrected the thermonuclear weapons yields. Like the thermonuclear weapons are stored and people do the math and they're like, "Hey, this is how big this bomb is. How much damage would it do if it blew up in our storage facility? How many people would it kill?" And so he's doing those calculations. He's like, "Dude, these numbers aren't right." He's like, "These are off by 50%." They're like, "How can it be off by 50%? E = mc squared. How can the How can the math be off?" Well, the math is off because they're not including an extra dimension. There's a whole aspect to the equations and to the calculations of the bomb that wasn't even being incorporated. So, they have this huge tribunal. This should get talked about way more. Where he goes up against the Navy's top brass on this with just armed with a calculator. It must have been like the '90s or the '80s or something. And he wins. He convinces them he's right. That it really is true. And to this day it was the reason why it's never been revealed, but you can tell obviously from looking into his physics and his science that it was this extra dimension. There's videos of him talking about it, con- doing conferences. Oak Shannon, who's a also a DOE Department of Energy um engineer, did a whole paper about Ferris Williams. So, they're really trying to tell us what's going on. And Oak Shannon even says he they they he and Willie, Ferris Williams, suspected that the government took his ideas and then weaponized it. So, that Sorry, the last point is that what I want to people understand is like I said, aliens can exist, no problem with that. What I'm concerned about is that the government's got this technology. We paid for it. We paid for the research into it. And we're probably hiding it like you said for some good reasons for sure. But ultimately, if you think about the people that are the ones that are gatekeeping it, I guarantee you if I showed you who they were and we all realized who they were, you'd say, "I'd never want that person to control my life." You know? So. and I want to get Dana's I want to let Dana ask some questions cuz like I've been through all the the journey so it's kind of cool to have fresh eyes to like

want that person to control my life." You know? So. and I want to get Dana's I want to let Dana ask some questions cuz like I've been through all the the journey so it's kind of cool to have fresh eyes to like right like ask questions that maybe we're not thinking of cuz there's always good information that comes with that. But when you bring up like okay it's on Reddit and no one's paying attention to it I just I can't help but like struck the jumps the position between a real leak of like holy you guys like okay if you're in a position of power do you do a big press conference with a bunch of congressmen in Washington D.C. where you ask for preemptive forgiveness on everything or are you like holy everybody's not supposed to know this I'm going to figure out how to like drip it somewhere and hope that someone finds it with but I can't really draw attention to it because you know I'll be charged criminally and it'll be a big problem for to me it's like cuz we have it in our heads like oh it's supposed to be the grush press release like that's what a leaker looks like to me it's like dude if I really knew we like something needed to get out that we didn't want to get out I'd probably try to I don't know slip it on some social media platform and hope somebody finds it somewhere it's just me it's all I'm saying you know No that's too funny. I'm here to interested hear what Dana thinks about that because she's probably fresh as but that's the exact same maybe I'm too jaded but that was the exact same feeling I have is like they're doing this press conference to demand immunity ahead of time with hey guys can we show you anything nope we can tell you there's plasma aliens and we can tell you but we but you give us go ahead and trust us just give us full blanket immunity and then sure we'll get you we'll tell you the truth like I yeah compared to like here's some videos that are on the internet don't and then everybody's going don't talk about them and then I find the guy that's leaking that leaked them and they're like, "No, don't look into this. Don't look into this guy's case. He's not the guy that leaked it to you." And you're going, "Okay, so you tell me which one you believe is more authentic, right? The the whole sideshow that's been showing up that they didn't reveal anything. They got congressmen lined up. They got film producers lined up versus like some guy on the internet going, "Holy Look at this, guys. Like two videos. Can't believe this is out here." And yeah. Yeah, I saw your post complaining about the immunity. It's a ridiculous sort of thing to ask for. I mean, it's clearly like just trying to protect themselves. And yeah, like why why are all of the best artists not found? They're they're not popularized. So, obviously the best technology we we don't know about. And on top of that, it's being suppressed for sure because it would ruin our economy. I mean, if we simply had uh, you know, access to all the technology that was available, we would be putting the biggest companies in the world out of business. It would affect our GDP. And and then beyond that, it would affect our our Department of Defense. Uh, like all the narratives that we've been told for many years. So, yeah, I'm I'm just as as jaded with with you guys. And when I was watching all of your interviews, Ashton, I mean, what fascinated me is that you were no longer uh, kind of you talk about like the CNN kind of background that you used to have. You would just learn information on on TV, kind of take it at face value. Now, you're you're digging, finding your own evidence, you're reading about it, you know, on your own. And it's like of course of course like nobody is going to take the time to do this. So, it's it's respectable. Plus, you have the background to kind of understand it and and made yourself have the background. Well, put it look at it this way. Um, I don't know if we're ever going to get disclosure. Like if that if those videos are real and that's really what we're being hidden or we're not even the UFO people aren't even close to that. They're not even close to, oh, we got teleportation and we have fusion that's already unlocked like, you know, this really exposes but the crazy part is this is what they're they're saying is hidden. They're saying that there's all these special unacknowledged special access programs. Uh, which is that's the the thing that just really weirds me out about it. And what I want to show people is this might be the only opportunity we have. This is why I went all in on it just this random guy is that these videos predated AI. That was super important. Because everybody now is well that's AI. I AI made that. Especially if there's no source, no one knows where it came from. But these videos predated all commercial AI. So that all the only argument you can really make is well maybe the the government AI'd it. But even that would be weird cuz it implicates them in the

no one knows where it came from. But these videos predated all commercial AI. So that all the only argument you can really make is well maybe the the government AI'd it. But even that would be weird cuz it implicates them in the disappearance of a missing plane 10 years later. So that's pretty bizarre. So, that I think that's the main reason. But then the more the thing that bugged me the most and still bugs me to this day is the way that all the UFO people and the various government people that figured this out like ignored me or blackballed me or lied and tried to do with all of that stuff because you look at it and go, I'm handing you disclosure on a silver platter here. Like even if you're more invested in aliens, these videos show you that aliens are now totally on the table because most people are arguing aliens can't be here because it's too far away and we have no way there's no way from physical perspective to get here easily. But now I'm saying, well, that plane just teleported. They just broke through space time. If you can do that, now aliens can get here for sure. So the question is why would everybody be like so stand offish about me or heck, they don't even have to they could have just gone with the videos without me. I don't own the videos. They could have just talked about the videos and just ignored my analysis but they didn't, right? the market, Aston. So, I guess what I'm getting at like I question their motives. And the reason why I do that is the people when I start digging into the science, it's all the people that are in those movies going, "Oh, yeah, the there's four different kinds of aliens." I'm going, "Wait, but you're the dude that wrote the warp drive paper. You're the dude that drove wrote the ground state of the of the hydrogen atom that explains the zero-point energy is interacting with all atoms. How come you're not talking about that in the movie? How come How come you're talking about which alien is the cutest in your movies? Like this is So, I'm sitting here thinking, "Oh, I get it. They're the ones that figured it out. Maybe they figured it out from aliens, or maybe they didn't and the whole alien thing, that's a scary story. Maybe the whole alien thing is just a cover-up. And like Danny, like you said, the the money aspect, the greed aspect is definitely a big part of it, right? We see that in COVID, we've seen that in the corruption that Nick Shirley has shown. Um but let me play this clip of Jim Semivan cuz I want you guys to understand what the deep state really is. It's not this nefarious, evil, calculating machine, which I would actually feel more comfortable if they were that at this point. But it's more like this woke, pathetic people that want to control every aspect of your life. So, this is Jim Semivan, who is one of these, you know, former CIA uh I call them woke disclosure people cuz to me, well, you know, they're they're hiding Oh, yeah, I got you, Scott. You know, these great energy uh successes and and we'll be able to take all this new technology and they're they're hoarding it. Well, you know, you're seeing a great example of asymmetric warfare going on right now in Ukraine, and you're seeing it in Iran. What happens if you take a technology that's free to everybody? A technology that you can use to create a weapon. Any kind of weapon. A weapon that's extremely lethal. And everybody has the capacity to make that weapon. Uh from, you know, a group of DIYers, you know, sitting in um an engineering lab at MIT decide they want to use this technology to create something really great and then you have somebody else some you know, crazy cult who decides they want to wipe out, you know, something and bad people exist in the world and and you know, you you have to plan for that. So, that's Jim Semivan. And the first thing I want to point out is this. I get asked all the time about these financial stuff. He goes, "Well." It's like, wait, wait, why do you say it like that? Like why are you saying like well like that? Like you know, like that's on the money. Because it is on the money. And he's just telling you exactly why they're hiding it. He's going, "It's yes, greed and money is one thing, but look at the asymmetrical warfare that's going on. Look at what we did to Venezuela. Look at what we just went into their capital where they had their president in literal military base and snatched him out of a military base like it was a Call of Duty operation with no with no casualties. And despite what some people will tell you on the internet, we're not losing in Iran and we wiped out all their leadership and we even rescued one of our own dudes behind enemy lines in a basically an impossible rescue situation. And the only reason why that stuff's possible is because we have this military and technological advantage because they have been hiding these weapons and lying people and and basically when the stuff that we are proliferating is the old technology, stuff that's obsolete that we can already beat.

why that stuff's possible is because we have this military and technological advantage because they have been hiding these weapons and lying people and and basically when the stuff that we are proliferating is the old technology, stuff that's obsolete that we can already beat. So, he's not wrong on that. And he's also not wrong about the doomsday part. This is part of the reason why people ask like why am I so adversarial? Why am I kind of a douchebag sometimes? Why am I like a weirdo? Why don't I just hyper focus on the one thing? Cuz man, I have second thoughts every day. I'm sitting here thinking about this like I don't think people realize like once you start to understand the physics, you realize they just scaled up a quantum effect. Something that was so tiny that you couldn't even see it, they scaled it up to a plasma orb that's 20 ft wide or something like that. You can just keep scaling it up. In fact, it gets more and more powerful in fusion the more you start to scale it up after that point. So, you realize very quickly you could easily design something that could annihilate the whole planet. That could maybe even create a big bang. I mean, the imagination's limit. In fact, there was actually a real project where the Manhattan Project guys were trying to figure out how to make a bomb that could blow up the whole planet. And then they stopped doing it because it was they decided it was unethical to try to come up with ways to blow up the whole planet. I'm not even making this up. That's the craziest part. So, you realize like this really is the end of the world. It's actually just a matter of time until someone until the technology gets far enough advanced where anyone has a bomb in their hand, they can blow up the whole planet. And we will eventually reach that point. And so, you know, those are the people that are making the decision to determine what is safe for you. And then my counterpoint, because it is a political debate at that point, is we're really talking about free will or not now. Like if you're telling me you can't trust me with the realities of the universe, then do I even have free will to make decisions anymore? You know, to me that I say I'd rather just be wiped out than have those people making the decisions on what I'm allowed to have and what I'm not, personally. So, I mean, I I I'm of the mind that like this technology is older, and the reason for it being hidden, the bad guy argument has never really worked with me. It It It just doesn't. Um I also am somebody that who doesn't believe nuclear weapons will ever be used again. I I I think if if there was a if there was ever a reason that older, more advanced Mhm. civilizations could get involved, it would be involved around two things. One would be nuclear reactions and weapons because of the chain reaction nature of what happens that could threaten everything. I think the other would be nano. I think like you either get too big or too small and people step in or things step in to kind of like I I oh, let's let's not go ahead and destroy everything, little little civilization humanity there. But I mean that's that's kind of like in the the crazier thing, but Dana, I'm curious. Like so, watching the videos here in Ashton, where did the plane go? Like we got Do Do you think the plane actually disappeared cuz like the the people the government bots on the internet will tell you it just crashed into the sea and we never found any of it. And then every once in a while we hear oh my god, we found some some random wreckage out here. Um but You know they stopped doing that. Do you notice they like that was happening all like every month when I first started doing this there was a new story that was like some dude knows some fisherman that was on a boat, he knew exactly where it went down and he dug up a piece of the wing. There was all these stories and now that's all stopped. Like they the last search failed again, the fifth search and didn't find it. But also were you asking Dana though what her what her opinion is in terms of I want to get her cuz I I'm listening to all your questions. fresh takes on all this stuff. I mean, I thought that when Ashton was going through all of the evidence, like first of all, all the lithium batteries. I mean, I can barely get through I know that security is a lot tighter than it used to be. Fair. I was actually in Vietnam during this this time when this whole thing happened. Mhm. And I think that like even at that point, I mean, security was tight. I can't bring in a battery. I I've I've had to get I've been pulled in the back to, you know, look at one of the screens as they screen my suitcase and say, "Ma'am, you know, what is this? Is this a bad" I've forgotten a battery before. So, how how did they get so many in in the plane? And then also, Ashton, when you were talking about all of the the 20 or so uh like Chinese that were on the plane. I mean, it's just a little fishy. So, yeah, I don't I don't know what happened. This This is

when you were talking about all of the the 20 or so uh like Chinese that were on the plane. I mean, it's just a little fishy. So, yeah, I don't I don't know what happened. This This is bad, to be honest, but I'm I'm listening to Ashton. There was early on, I had two thoughts on the process, like very early on. One was oh my god, some aliens with some super advanced technology use some drone technology and zap the plane away. And then the other thought was is this some kind of operation? Like because I'm looking at America and this is like not knowing anything about anything. Uh not knowing anything about surveillance, military operations. Those are my two thoughts. And that's what I told Tony from the confessionals. I said, "This is either like a UFO thing or this is like an espionage thing and I can't really tell what it is." And I'm here to tell you now it's actually kind of both. Is that Okay, why were there 500 lb of lithium-ion batteries on the plane? Those are banned and they've been banned for a while. In fact, it's really kind of unclear exactly when they got banned. You can have them above in the passenger area, that's fine, but cargo, they're not allowed in the cargo anymore. And that's why they ask you all that. So, you're like, "Huh, that's really suspicious." Oh, and by the way, they lied about that, too. They waited for 2 weeks to let people know there's 500 lb of dangerous lithium-ion batteries on the plane. So, I think they answered there. right? Isn't it extremely thorough? Like why wasn't that in all the people magazines? Why were we hearing about, you know, Joey were we hearing about, you know, Joey finding some random piece of of the plane that didn't exist in in in the water somewhere? And if you want to check the best research is Florence de Changy's book, which is very very thorough. I mean, very thorough in terms of every piece of evidence that was out there, regardless of, you know, how credible it was or whatever. She reviewed everything, you know, and put it out there, which is amazing. The witnesses as well, there was all these witnesses, and they all point to a fire. That's what's crazy. They point to a fire. The guy sees the plane on fire in the exact location where it initially goes dark in the South China Sea. But he sees it super far away, so it probably looked like it was low to the ground even though it wasn't just cuz of how far away it was. But he sees it initially go on fire, which I'm guessing is when the batteries ignited. And if this was espionage, that means those batteries, it was not a random ignition of the batteries. It was some kind of controlled device that was, "Okay, beep." Turn the button on, right? And then now the plane's, "Oh, crap, we got to turn around." And who knows? Maybe they were trying to blow the plane up. Maybe they were trying to blow the plane up, and it didn't blow up. And now the plane's going around, and they're going, "Oh, we were trying to blow that plane up, but now we got to deal with this plane, and if it lands, they're going to find out that we put some batteries on the plane and tried to blow it up." Right? So, what's the second bet? Okay, well, now we got to whoop orb the plane into the next dimension. Well, not necessarily next dimension, but you get the point. So, what happened? They Why did this go down? This had to be US versus China China. Just from the proximity, South China Sea was contested at the time, heavily contested at the time. And there's these 20 engineers on board from Freescale Semiconductors that are flying to China to Beijing. Eight of them are Chinese nationals, and they work for an American company. This is the number one target for intellectual property theft is these foreign nationals that work for American companies. So, without even knowing much, I can just tell those have got to be the targets. Unless there was like one VIP that's super important. That's the other theory that I still think could have some weight. But ultimately, what the reason for they them doing this is something for them to decide and and rationalize. They want to say, "Oh, well, China made us do it cuz they were trying to steal our engineers." I mean, good luck. Go ahead and try to explain that to CNN. I'm not going to I'm not going to be the one that's trying to rationalize that, you know? So, uh but the plane turns around and for whatever reason, they they deploy the orbs. But the plane actually has to fly for like an hour. So, the plane turns around South China Sea, goes back to uh we think it goes over um Penang, which is the closest airport if they turn around. And then weirdly deviates and starts flying towards the Andaman Sea, the Nicobar Islands, towards our coordinates in in our videos. Now, people ask me, "Where'd the plane go then?" If this plane's there and we're watching this plane in the Nicobar Islands and it's

Andaman Sea, the Nicobar Islands, towards our coordinates in in our videos. Now, people ask me, "Where'd the plane go then?" If this plane's there and we're watching this plane in the Nicobar Islands and it's it's turned around and now it's flying uh it's flying out east. Where is this plane going when the orbs zap it? Is it going to uh Never Neverland? You know, is it going to Narnia? No. No, I'm here to tell you this is going somewhere else. It might as well just be going right here. Right? It's going somewhere else in our reality. And in fact, I this is the craziest part. The way this works, it's works like a rail gun. So, you can actually tell they're like shooting it like a gun. Like this way, but not through normal space, like through extra-dimensional space. As if it's just went underneath the ocean for a second and now it's just bopping up somewhere else. And uh the key to how this works is that it has to be moving at a constant speed. So, when the orbs are spinning around it, like if you were to take away the background, it wouldn't look like the plane's moving at all, right? You would just look like these orbs are just spinning around and it would look like the plane's stationary if you remove the background and you couldn't tell. That's actually a vital component to how this works, unlabored acceleration. Because if it was accelerating, it would take a huge amount of energy to make it jump and do that jump that it does. Uh so, where does it go then? Okay, well, if it's if it's a aimed beam and these orbs are spinning around it perfectly vertically, there's only two options. Either it's going to go forward or it's going to go backwards. And I'm here to tell you it's going backwards just based on the rotation of the orbs around the plane. Like depending on which way they're spinning in electromagnetism, that actually determines where this A vector potential, this force through this extra dimension would be felt. They call it a longitudinal force. And so, this means it's going backwards. So, the plane's flying east and the force it's feeling is backwards, so that means the plane went to the west. So, even though I know basically nothing about the official MH370 search in terms of the operations of it, I could probably do a better job finding the plane because I would say, you probably want to be searching somewhere west of the Nicobar Islands. Now, exactly where it shows up, I mean, I'm not Miss Cleo over here. I don't have the psychic readings, but there were some islanders that everybody ignored that saw the plane in the Maldives, which is west of the Nicobar Islands, like 15 people or something like that. Um maybe those people really did see the plane. That would be you know, my best guess. Yeah, sounds like a psychic might have been better than the $200 million that were used to try to locate the plane. More uh more monetarily efficient, for sure. Honestly, I knock on the remote viewers, but this would have been a part where they could have, you know, probably were more accurate than the government at this point in the official search. I mean, look at it this way, $200 million minimum, five searches, five searches in the South Indian Ocean where they claim they have satellite pings that they can basically not they can't triangulate. If they could triangulate, they would give two crisscrosses and then the X would be exactly where the plane is, right? But they only have one. So they have one arc and they say, "Okay, it's on this arc somewhere. Has to be based on this ping." They did five searches along that entire arc, not just above water, but below water all along the ocean floor. Never found one piece. Not even one piece of the plane. How does this not give people pause? Like that's insane. This plane This plane is I Is it the biggest plane? 3 million parts. I think it might be Boeing's biggest plane. If not, it's like one of the top three biggest planes they have. This plane is huge. If this plane hits the water at any speed, A, it's going to show up on on the size the what are underwater earthquake detectors, right? The hydrophones. It would They would pick it up. But also, it's going to break into a million pieces. The ocean's going to have do thousands of pieces of debris, uh flotation devices, and I don't think people get this. It wouldn't stop It's not like that debris just sinks after like uh day or so. That debris field have been visible for days days and days. So people have just really didn't use any logical common sense in this. And then when the debris start showing up in Africa, a year later, you point out the dude that found the debris, uh Blaine Gibson. First of all, Jeff Wise tries to like claim that he's a Russian spy on a Netflix documentary because he doesn't like that they found the debris there. Nobody can explain that debris. Like that debris is so far away. That's like finding your body when I say you disappeared in New York and then like finding your body or like finding your finger in California.

like that they found the debris there. Nobody can explain that debris. Like that debris is so far away. That's like finding your body when I say you disappeared in New York and then like finding your body or like finding your finger in California. And me being like, "Dana was killed in California." You're like, "Why? Did you find her finger there?" Could have happened any number of ways. And so, everybody just ignores all these like drift models they did because none of the drift models had the debris get into Africa in less than 2 years. And they found it way less than 2 years, and so they just ignore all that. They redo all the drift models, and they go, "Yeah, this makes sense. Totally makes sense." And I'm going, "Wait. I just told you they teleported the plane west towards Africa. That this actually makes sense for me. I mean, I don't know exactly what they did with the plane, if it they teleported again or destroyed it or put it at the bottom of the ocean or disassembled it at uh disassem- disassembled it at Diego Garcia, but I that that debris is no issue with my story. So, since we've been able to like we've had all this technology tracking planes, etc., how many planes have been missing? Uh This is the last plane to go missing. Like some severe like real commercial airliner. That's what's crazy. I looked it up cuz I I kind of thought I had that question myself like what is like this hasn't really happened that often, does it? It's like literally never happened before and never happened since. Yeah. People try to say, "Oh, they'll find it. It took 75 years to find the Titanic." You're like, uh that was in a time before we had like any information about anything. So, you know, that that's kind of crazy. Nowadays, we we've got I don't know, I think 10,000 satellites in space, too, at this point. So, I think I'm I'm located all the time. I mean, the amount of tracking devices to send each of us a million miles. exactly. But also, they have something called SOSUS, sound surveillance system. This is This is an obsolete system. They declassified it in the '90s. It was able to find all our adversarial submarines anywhere in the ocean. They basically had some new physics they used, you know, that you know, we have a little grin there as they use some new technology to basically be able to figure out all where all things were, and they basically use a bunch of hydrophones that they had around and they were able to look through the noise and pinpoint submarines. And so you say, "Well, if we had this system that could pinpoint submarines, how do we not tell when a commercial airplane crashes into the ocean?" And where is it? How could the Navy not know where it is? Well, they do know where it is. And that system is obsolete. We have we have Hal Turner lucky was going on some of those podcasts saying, "We can detect every whale in the ocean." And he's not lying. They can literally tell He says, "The problem actually is filtering the whales out from the submarines." He's like, "That's the actual problem is that we can detect so much stuff that the issue is not detecting is filtering it out." So, if you're in Anyways, I've probably been in the Navy knows too. There's no way they don't know where the plane is. There's just absolutely no way. Even without the videos, I tell you there's no way the United States doesn't know where it is. So, this kind of implies that it really was us that's covering it up, the one that were responsible for it. Um and the one that pulled that operation. This letter that you received, the anonymous letter, did you ever find any information about him or did any new information come up about it at all since since you got it and The letter that Ashton Forbes Yeah. Yeah, probably listen to that. Diego Garcia whistleblower. Craziest story ever. I listened. It was weird. listening to it like 50 times and be like my hair is sticking up every time. And even early on, I I was very scared to talk about the letter because I had already been like people were trying to scam me, debunk me, had kim.com saga going on. So, for a while I was like stand-offish like is this another weird scam, weirdo person? But as time went on, I became more and more confident. And the more I listen to that letter, like it's hard to explain exactly for people cuz some people are like, "Oh, well, this is AI." Well, the voice is AI, but it's not written by AI. You know, you can tell. You can tell when something is actually human versus some of the AI will get seen harder and harder, but uh and it was personal. The letter was essentially the way I take it now is like they were looking at like you lost, but here you go. Here's the truth anyway. This is the closest you'll ever get. We're going to give you what really happened. And it it lays out pretty much exactly what I told you that the this was an operation, you know? Uh I look there's

the truth anyway. This is the closest you'll ever get. We're going to give you what really happened. And it it lays out pretty much exactly what I told you that the this was an operation, you know? Uh I look there's not much I can I mean how can I find who wrote that letter? But I'll tell you this is that and I recommend you guys check it out. It's on my YouTube channel, Diego Garcia little whistleblower letter to Ashton Forbes. It had to be someone in the CIA or in the military that is in the know. I mean it has to be. Somebody has to be and they have to be relatively knowledgeable and tech savvy to make that letter and and do all that. And they have to be someone invested. Like there's people I think on the inside where there's a degree of people look at this and they go people do deserve this. But they signed on and they signed in these NDAs to protect their country and to protect this information. And so they themselves have a moral quandary. Like hey, I know about this truth of reality that could change everything, but I just explained to you what all those reasons for why they're hiding it. And they go yeah, but all these reasons too at the same time. So instead what's the middle road? Well, the letter to Ashton Forbes. Here's what we did. Here's why we did it. Here's why no one will ever believe you. And here's the reason why we're not going to reveal it because if any if two warring factions had this technology the world wouldn't last a day. But also they wanted me and all of us to know that all the world's problems are for political reasons. When a plane disappears mysteriously and no one knows why it's not cuz aliens did it. It's cuz humans. It's humans problems, right? Can you tell me what zero-point energy is in like the plainest terms possible? Yeah, the energy of space-time itself. So it is space-time. It is the reason why there's distance between here and here. You know, why are these points not on the exact same place? Why are they separated? Because zero point energy is the paint that gives our space-time form and structure. Zero point energy is also dark energy. Dark energy was just zero point energy renamed cuz they didn't want people to basically probably figure this all out. Cuz once you figure out space space-time is zero point energy, you go, "Well, wait. I was told space is empty. I was told space is an empty vacuum." But it's not. Space is not an empty vacuum. Space is a medium. That's why it's space and not nothing. And that space is a medium that we can push through. So, the way I think about zero point energy is like this. We're taught space is an empty vacuum, which would mean that we're in an empty ocean at the bottom of the lake or whatever, right? And it's just all empty. But that's not the reality. Reality is there is some zero point energy. They call it the lowest ground state, but it's the reason why is some things never freeze. Like helium 3 never freezes, no matter how cold it gets. And the reason's cuz there's this zero point energy. There is energy there. And this is like saying that there's a balloon. I have a balloon that's blown up. Well, if I pop that balloon, it's going to shoot stuff everywhere. You can get force out of a balloon that's blown up. So, that's the same reality of the zero point energy. That zero point energy existing mean we can tap into that. I can get force out of that zero point energy, no matter how small it is. So, the real debate is how how how deep is this ocean? If this ocean is deep, then teleportation is on the table. And free energy is on the table. If this ocean is really shallow, then we might only be able to get a little trickle out of this. And this is where classic physics and quantum mechanics don't agree. Classic physics says, "Nah, this is a tiny little bit of energy. There's no way to extract energy from it. If you tried to, you would have to put as much energy in." And that's funny. That's like saying we can't extract solar power. You'd be like, "Well, that's dumb. Of course we can extract solar power. You just put up a collector and we can extract it." Well, you should be able to do that with zero-point energy, too. At least fundamentally be able to make an engineer a system that can tap into it, you know? Now, quantum mechanics says, "No." Quantum mechanics says, "If I just take this If I make an empty cube here, and I suck out all the air, and I suck out all the heat, and I suck out all the light, so all the energy is gone from this empty cube, there's still something there. And now, if I calculate how much energy is in there, how do I calculate that? I add up all the waves. Every single size of wave that could fit in this box, I add every single size of those waves up. Every mode, they call them. It turns out when you add up all the different sizes of waves, that energy is like 10 to the 120.

wave that could fit in this box, I add every single size of those waves up. Every mode, they call them. It turns out when you add up all the different sizes of waves, that energy is like 10 to the 120. So, 10 with 120 zeros at the end of it. Practically infinite. This is a big problem, because that means this isn't a little pond. That means it's mostly zero-point energy, and then there's a little bit of us up here at the top. That's pretty much what that means. That means this is a very deep ocean. And this is called the vacuum catastrophe. The vacuum catastrophe is, how come classic physics, when we look at the sky, we only see this little bit of energy, but quantum mechanics says there's actually secretly this huge amount of energy. Where is it? How come we don't see it out there? But we do see it. We do see it in dark matter and dark energy, the things that we can't explain. We're seeing it right there. And the reason why we don't see it is because it's in an extra dimension. And if you ask physicists, they'll say, "Well, you're cheating. Anyone can just add an extra dimension and solve the math." Okay, well, that's what we're going to do then. That's what we're going to do then. We're going to add a dimension and solve math, because that's the reality. When a plane disappears and goes like this, and then mad and it presumably reappears, that's an extra dimension. That's how I explain it. Well, it's funny, cuz I I see string theory as like one of the most ridiculous like catchall for classic physicists, but I think about things like the double slit experiment, right? Which is there's always been unex- like things that classic physics was unable to account for based on their models. And and and it it it's crazy to me how much people get locked into but I mean that gets to my conspiratorial brain where I think almost all of academics has some underlying flaw at the very like base level that like really creates this kind of sand foundation that prevents us from like reaching too far. And I mean we see it in anthropology, we see it in physics, we see it in math, we see it in all kinds of the different sciences. It's really interesting to me like the the the same people are like, "Well, you can't you can't have an extra dimension, but but we could have a multiverse." And I think that's a much much more natural answer is to just say infinite for different dimensions. My understanding in physics, we can't even really decipher what what time is. That's something that we can't even really use in in any algorithm, right? So, exactly what you're saying, Dustin. I mean, what are we even studying then in school? I I also I think of Tesla. So, Tesla was do- doing experiments with the famous Tesla coils in Colorado. And towards the end of his life, he claimed that he had he had had a significant breakthrough that was going to change everything because he he everything was connected and he could move unlimited amounts of energy through the Earth. And I'm I'm roughly paraphrasing kind of the the the answer there, but to me it speaks to all of this. The other and Ashton we've had this conversation before too. I think it's interesting right which is the the debunking of ether like the ether and how how there have been experiments that signal towards the thing and yet everybody would latch on to one that didn't quite meet the scientific standards or right reinforced the classic physics look at things because otherwise all of the time they all of the quote unquote physics experts had spent like learning about this stuff. If you change something at the base foundational level it has the ripple effect all the way up through and like telling everybody that like they've got to go relearn all of it because we got something wrong at the base level. Like there there really is like just a human challenge in that that I think plays into all of this stuff. Yeah, the time comment I would say Daniel is that it's not that we can't understand time is that I think the bigger issue is that time's reversible. Like when we look at the math it doesn't matter if time's going forward or backwards like and but in reality it's always going forward. So how do we reconcile that? And that's something I think people should think about more often is that the universe is more magical than people think. It truly is magical. You look at the quantum the double slit quantum eraser variant of the double slit experiment and it's just straight up magic. Like I'll phrase it it's kind of hard to understand but I do recommend people look into it and you can have AI explain it to you in simple ways but like the collapse of the wave function when it goes from a wave function down to the two slits that's not caused by detecting the photon. It's not caused by the camera and that's not caused by the conscious mind either. This is where a lot of people get it wrong. They think that like the person being in the room or the mind is breaking down the wave function. They can actually prove it's none of those things. The quantum eraser shows that that is actually caused by just information. If the universe or you in principle could know which path the

in the room or the mind is breaking down the wave function. They can actually prove it's none of those things. The quantum eraser shows that that is actually caused by just information. If the universe or you in principle could know which path the light took, then the wave function breaks down. Then the interference goes away. If in principle you can't know where the way which path the light went down, then you get a wave function. It's literally the universe saying basically hacking into the source code of the universe. If the universe can figure it out, boom, it goes one way. If the universe can't, then you can't then it goes a different way. That's straight-up magic. That's something that have somebody try to explain that to you, somebody who's like, you know, uh like theory of mind or a philosopher because you look at that and you go this requires superluminal communication. Things have to be talking to each other faster than the speed of light. There's no other way. And how is that happening? It can't be happening in our reality cuz that's not possible based on our laws of physics. So, the answer to all these questions is there's an extra dimension. All points in space and time are actually connected. We just don't realize it. That's why the quantum eraser double-slit experiment can work and seemingly defy all logic and reason. Because what we see as time moving linearly forward probably isn't. Well, it we are probably just perceiving this time moving forward, but if you were to look at our reality from a higher level, we might just be information. Information on a microchip, no different than you know, our computers. And that's why people actually literally believe in simulation theory is that if you believe what I just said about information, and that here's the further bit. If their information is permanently erased or scrambled, it becomes unrecoverable, therefore the interference pattern re-emerges. Listen how crazy that is. That basically says when you do do double-slit experiment, you can make the interference pattern break down by measuring it, but then you can rebuild it, too. In the same experiment, if then you randomize it again, then suddenly it just reverts back. And now you're like, wait, what? What did I just undid the double slit experiment? So, you realize everything basically just boils down to just simple information. And what we think of ourselves as these 3D beings actually might just simply be as simple as 2D information. Anyway, sorry to get too philosophical there for you. No, no, but I I we could talk we could do a whole thing on the theory. Well, we should. Um no, cuz I simulation theory and time is like one of my favorite topics. But it it it's curious cuz I I've been thinking about Bob Lazar a lot lately. Like cuz I I go back and I kind of re-evaluate people who have tried to be whistleblowers and disclose things. And you go back and you look most of them were like everything they predict is full of Like the the stuff that they tell you doesn't line up. I find that the stuff Bob Lazar was telling us has turned out to be more and more accurate kind of as time goes on. But he famously said that we were like that that we were containers. Mhm. And I thought a lot about that in like relation to time as well. Right? Which is if we are just information and there is all this and and like are we characters that play the game other people can experience the game that was played or other, you know, entities, souls, energy. It's It's just It What I love about this and and and I I tried to imagine for you, Ashton, when you start going down this path, it starts with a plane and a weird video that can't be explained. And it leads you to challenging the very existence of what reality, consciousness, and life is. And like it it's a lot to try to wrap your head around. Like and and anyone who who who speaks with kind of just uh sure a like I know exactly if you're not if this doesn't if if you're not constantly challenging like what life is, what reality is, what you're seeing as you go through this stuff, then you're not really understanding it cuz I've never met anybody who has a like who's able to just fully grasp right? If it feels like we're right on that edge where it's just like you know with time and space and energy and existence we're still it's crazy how little we know about any of that. And so what? Bob Lazar, I agree. I think he was mostly right. I was actually just talking to Tom DeLonge who's uh probably one of the maybe most researched on zero-point energy and free energy physics concepts, etc. And he apparently talked to Bob Lazar back in the day. And so what I asked him was like, "So what's the deal? He never talks about zero-point energy at all, you know? But like he's talking about the concepts and I can I think everything he's saying is is accurate." So I actually don't have an answer yet from him, but um I don't or I don't remember what he said, but I'm going to ask him when I interview him uh in a few weeks. So definitely check that out because I think it'll be interesting to reconcile Bob Lazar and what he's seen

I don't or I don't remember what he said, but I'm going to ask him when I interview him uh in a few weeks. So definitely check that out because I think it'll be interesting to reconcile Bob Lazar and what he's seen uh which I think is accurate. I think it's consistent with like Thomas Townsend Brown's asymmetrical capacitor work. I think that the hovering flying saucers are consistent with that work and it's basically what Thomas Townsend Brown was doing. And I also think it's connected to the mercury that you mentioned. Like spinning mercury, I think it's probably one of the first plasmas that they were trying to use for these anti-gravitic effects. They probably just figured out better materials to use that they don't need is maybe not as heavy or something like that is what I expect. Well, I I I listen, I have some um I have some spinning mercury specific patterns, right? It's why it was a gyroscope lab. But when we found that, it also had a extremely advanced circuitry lab attached to it. And so as I'm looking at like, okay, why do you have these the big industrial spinners and then all of the smaller spinners, all of the liquid mercury, and the advanced circuitry lab? That made sense. Like clearly the mercury allows you right, it gives you a substance that you can spin and add charges to. And like that once you start wrapping your head around that, now is that in her like this lab operated largely in the late '80s and '90s? And so like I think we found that closed down like just late '99, '98 is when the guy just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth and then a few years later there's like a weird obituary that doesn't seem real at all. Uh but like found her in that. I have By the way, I have the whole lab in a storage unit somewhere that I won't disclose. At some point we're going to go through the lab again and like cuz we we just hauled it out there and like put it in a storage unit so we could come back to it later. But that tech that there's something about we're missing in our view of things. And all I know is it has to do with resonance and it has to do with electromagnetism. Like that there's something there that unlocks gravity and time and this extra dimension. And I I think I think we're going to something's happening cuz I I I know I've told you this a bunch before too, but I love to say it cuz I was really worried for you very early. Mhm. Like cuz I I've watched whistleblowers in my life disappear. And and right cuz you you you pointed out earlier, like okay, there's this dude who wrote a really interesting paper on this advanced physics like I did yet he's like, "Oh yeah, we have the Nordics and the insectoids battling the reptilians." Right? Like straight David Icke. I think that's I listen, we all learn through time like there's certain things that you can talk about and theorize about. There's other things that when you touch that third rail you get the phone call. So I'm going to I saw somebody trolling you in the comments so I'll just cuz we're in the bedroom. When did Peter Thiel buy you off? And how's that alien tear money going? I wish man. Honestly, I would tell you if I had sold out. Honestly, I would. I don't even care. I hope they're paying you well. I keep telling people, look, I would have sold out for the $10 million early on or just one Scarlett Johansson clone. I feel like if you can teleport a plane, those are pretty reasonable requests, you know? Now, now I'll sell out just for they're going to buy Diego Garcia. Just make me king of Diego Garcia. It can be a total ceremonial position. That's fine. I just want to be able to put on my social media king of Diego Garcia. That's I'm happy with it. I'll just say the videos are fake, you know? That it's only weirdos believe in in orbs and things like that. And honestly, people will believe it. That's the sad part. But um in all seriousness, there's a couple other things I want to talk about this related to this which I think are super important you guys will find interesting. Um I want to talk about the leaker Edward Lynn but before that I think the General McCaslin. Because I have been railing about the General McCaslin disappearance and I heard today there was a journalist that asked both Timber Chett and Eric Burlison about McCaslin. And Burlison responded and said that he thinks the investigation is focusing around General McCaslin regarding the missing scientists. And I've been saying that's who we should be focused on. Like this guy is no question in deep in the He was re up upgrading our nuclear weapon arsenal. He was the commander of the Air Force research labs. He was Tom DeLonge's UFO secret contact. I'm like, well, when I found that out, I was like, "Whoa!" There's videos of Tom DeLonge, audio of Tom DeLonge going talking about their interaction at the airport like it was some kind of movie where they're meeting in the back room in the corner. And he's going, "It was the Cold War."

Tom DeLonge, audio of Tom DeLonge going talking about their interaction at the airport like it was some kind of movie where they're meeting in the back room in the corner. And he's going, "It was the Cold War." I'm like, "Okay, dude. We need to find this general right now cuz this guy knows where all the bodies are buried and he definitely did not just be like, 'Oh, time for me to go kill myself on a bike' or whatever the people are saying. There's no way in hell, dude." While his wife goes Okay, for people who don't know, General William Neil McCasland disappears around noon. I think it was around February 20 7th. Don't catch me on this date. And it was less than 1 after his hour after his wife goes to the doctor. Wife goes to the doctor, comes back, husband's gone, changed his clothes, left his phone, phone is off. And his gun is missing. She can tell he changed his clothes. You're like, you look at this scenario. This is It's not a suicide scenario. I mean, that's a scenario where like somebody picked you up. Like it's your homies came and picked you up and you you you dipped out. Like that's what that scenario is saying right there. So, that's the reason why I look at that scenario and I'm like, "Okay, something is wrong here." Especially when you know the guy's contacts and you know that we've got these UFO files that are coming out. This disclosure is seemingly coming out. I've been pushing for it as hard as possible, exposing everybody I can possibly expose. You just have to wonder, is this guy's disappearance connected to the information that he knows? And could either an adversary have picked him up, which I think is unlikely, or more likely, could our own deep state or CIA have picked him up and put him in hiding somewhere or, you know, taken care of him. I mean, cuz this isn't the kind of guy that you allow to go missing. This is the kind of guy where, you know, if he goes missing, you find him immediately. And keep in mind, there's been no manhunt for this guy. There is FBI's been no press conferences or anything about this guy. Just dead silence about it. Pretty suspicious. I I I think this is going to be one of those things kind kind of like how the concluded I think the missing scientist is a bunch of different ops all in one. Which right which is like I think some of them are being targeted for information that they have might have. And once scientists start like did like people researching specific fields start disappearing, then you have to move to protect other ones. Right? Like this is some like double-07 level movie going down with all these scientists around disclosure. And the the you know, Trump also taking a big stake in one of the fusion energy companies. I I You want You want to tell if the Trumps are investigating something, it probably means that they have some information that maybe something's going to break on that grounds in some way that's let's say significant. The medical people going missing like the, you know, cancer cancer I've known a few of them. You know, I remember uh one of the first like uh gene researchers, ironically enough, we we interviewed him. A week or maybe 2 weeks later, he dies in a float tank. It's like, "Oh, I'm sorry. He You What? You drowned in a float tank filled with salt water?" I mean, if that's not a message, I don't know. I I don't know what what is. It's horrible. And you this was I don't know if you guys knew this, but there this is a account. This is the craziest story. I I don't know if this is General McCaslin, but I can't dismiss it. There's an account named TMB Spaceship. Somebody told me about a week after McCaslin died or uh disappeared, they messaged me and they say, "Hey, have you check out this account that follows you? Like they stopped posting the day that McCaslin disappeared." And so I go look and sure enough, didn't not the same day. Disappeared the same hour. This This This account had been posting every single day. And they're an Air Force person that's been posting this, which they posted in my replies in 2024. And I remember seeing this going, "Dude, what is this?" I mean like ion pumpy thing for Ashton, closed cycle plasma amplifier, dynamic plasma alternator. At the time I had no idea. Now I know this is basically what's inside the orbs. If it's not exactly this, it's like some variant of this essentially. And they're doing they're like flooding this zone in the bottom left with ions that reduces the Coulomb barrier to make fusion happen at lower temperatures. And they've got this undulator effect, this like wiggly effect that they're doing here. And that's why you see these back and forth red and blue dots. Like that's what that's meant to represent is magnetic fields. And then the thing on the right is basically like some kind of Z pinch fusion configuration set up. So you look at this and you're like, "Holy This guy disappeared the same hour as

what that's meant to represent is magnetic fields. And then the thing on the right is basically like some kind of Z pinch fusion configuration set up. So you look at this and you're like, "Holy This guy disappeared the same hour as the general." And what's crazy about this is no one knew the general disappeared for at least a day. So how would this person know not to post? How would they know not to post anything when the general disappeared? And then to never post again, even to this day now. Now they were posting every day and they never posted since. And what's crazy, I mean they say 38-year Air Force uh career engineer in their profile. And you're looking at this and you're going, "How is this not the general? It's got to be him or it's got to be somebody that knew him." because this is also the exact expertise that he would know, you know? So, now I'm like thinking if it's not him, it's almost weirder cuz if it's not him, you would think, well, then are there like multiple people like just disappearing that are like doing something building something somewhere? Like is there a Manhattan Project going on? Yeah, I mean, listen, if you were go live Well, it depends again, back to the theory. If it's us protecting the general, then we're also probably protecting the five lab assistants who worked out, right? All of the colonels who run the the different pieces of it. But, could be Or if if it's a capture, right? Like it could be a mix of the two. That and that the crazy thing is, Ashton, I I believe in some level this information was meant to get out. And like I I haven't seen you get the roadblocks I was worried that you would get. I I feel like you're being allowed to uncover this stuff. Do you get that sense? Oh, definitely. I I definitely did. And that's what actually kind of pissed me off. You like you can probably find like you ask Croc, you might be able to find a clip on one of my live streams where I said, like I'm definitely being used to some degree. Like there's no way I can be allowed to say all this and nobody ever call me or tell me like stop or anything like that cuz they're like A, they're terrified of like if they do that that I'll expose it and they'll give more credit and weight to it. But also like to some level you look at that alien thing that they did this morning and it's just I'm more effective than that whole press conference is in terms of getting information out there. Like that's just how sad it is at this point. Like I get more impressions than on a random post than they'll get on on that whole thing, you know? And you realize like they're not really pushing the ball forward as hard. So, there are almost certainly people using me. And I think that what's happening is there's different factions inside the government. Some people that want nothing to come out, some people that want some parts of it to come out, some people that are probably just chaos agents that are like, you know what? I just like to watch things happen. Just let Ashton go as far as he can and sees what happens, right? That's what I expect probably the reality cuz there's they're normal people in the CIA just like us, right? And they're they have flaws like us. So, that's what I think is going on inside. My reality is that is well then in that in that case, you know what? I'm just going to do whatever the hell I want. I'm going to talk about magic cards and anime and other nerdy while I'm talking about teleporting airplanes and politics and I don't care if it pisses people off because, you know what? That's just authentically me. And that's that's my approach. So, um but let's I want to switch topics real quick because I think Daniel appreciate the the finding the leaker. You know, if we if we rewind back to October 2023, one of the first thoughts I had is one of the only ways we'll ever be able to prove this is we can find the guy that leaked these videos. Cuz if they're military videos, somebody leaked those. And I had pinpointed it had to be someone in the US military that leaked them. Just like it you know, there's the context of it. The only way they're getting out. And sure enough, I dig around dig around a couple weeks. It wasn't like when I found him on the first night. Like I was digging around. I was looking for lists of people that have been charged with things and I find Edward Lin. And right away I could tell this is really suspicious like the timing of this guy's charges are like right after this happened. He was charged with espionage. All the articles about him are super suspicious. One of the articles literally said the evidence in question is available on the internet. I'm going, wait, what? Right? So, I'm reading all this contextual evidence and I'm going I'm trying not to go full skitzo here, but I can line everything up here and be like this guy's got to be the guy that leaked the videos. So, honestly, it didn't take that long. After I had read like the fifth or sixth article about

skitzo here, but I can line everything up here and be like this guy's got to be the guy that leaked the videos. So, honestly, it didn't take that long. After I had read like the fifth or sixth article about the strange case of Edward Lin and no one knows what he did. I'm going, okay, I'm just going to say this guy's name publicly. I'm going to take the hit. If it turns out I'm going to get a defamation charge here, we're going to get it. So, I started saying his name. And no defamation charge. Doesn't reach out to me. I'm like, that's kind of weird. Kind of expected him to reach out and be like, I'm not the guy or reach out and and hey, I'm the guy and you figured it out. Time to expose the videos." But neither of those things happened. Time went on and on. Eventually, this is the craziest part, a YouTube video pops up on the internet. This was uh 2025, so last year. And it's Edward Lynn. It's Edward Lynn in a YouTube video promoting his Home Helpers Home whatever like company. And he's talking about his time in the Navy and his happy time under the Master Chief. And I'm going, and he's showing photos of himself in the Navy. There's no ambiguity. It's got to be him. I'm going, "What is going on?" But it says Edward Soriano, not Edward Lynn, not the guy that I had identified leaking the videos. And so, we find out he changed his name legally in December of 2023. He filed for like December 31st, 2020. He changes and files for a legal name change. Changes last name from Lynn to to Soriano. You're like, he had been out of prison for years. I had called up this company and work, and they all knew him as Edward Lynn. You're like, why would he be changing his name? Nobody knew what he did. Everybody assumes he's in good graces with the Navy. Well, probably cuz I'm out there telling who he is. So, fast forward because not much happened with Edward Lynn stuff. I didn't want to ruin his life. I set him up to come out and be a hero, honestly. I did. I set him up to be like, "Hey, you're the guy that leaked the most important videos ever." And he never came out. So, I said, "Look, man, I'm run out of ways to prove these videos are really people. And one of the only ways is proving him to be the guy." So, I started a few weeks ago. I said, "Hey, we're going to we're coming after you. We're coming after that case cuz there's got to be evidence in that case that proves he's the guy that leaked the videos, classified or whatever. It's in there somewhere." And they had rejected my NCIS FOIA request on him early on years ago, like entirely for national security. They wouldn't give me anything from his FOIA from his NCIS cuz I'm sure the notes in the NCIS say like, "Dude was leaking MH370 operation to people, right? So, I say we're going to start FOIAing his other stuff. Now, all same time, I find this website four orbs.com. You guys can go there right now and check it out. I didn't make the website. Don't ask me. It's I guess an homage to me or something like that. And I was asking and I was doing more research about Edward Lin getting prepared to put these FOIAs in and the AI tells me that a FOIA request was already put in and fulfilled in 2026 and I'm going I didn't I didn't do that. Like, what's this I asked the AI, "What's the source of that?" "Oh, four orbs.com." And I'm like, "Dude, what?" So, I go back to that website and I start digging around through it and finally I find the spot where they submitted a FOIA request in 2026 for the stipulation of fact and for all of Edward Lin's court documents. And I'm like, and they apparently got them back. They're like talking about things in this on this website that I had never seen before in any of the the publicly available documents. The stipulation of fact I had never seen. So, I call up the Navy the next day. I talked to the FOIA officer. I confirm it's a real FOIA that was actually fulfilled and I'm like, "Holy shit." Cuz I'm looking at those details on there. There's new stuff we had never known about. And the next day they upload the whole document. So, I downloaded that. I have it. I think some of the biggest revelations are that the evidence he leaked is related to his time at the Joint Task Force 519, which is a Pacific Fleet Task Force that was disbanded. No one really knows why. And or his VPU-2 Wizards, which he joined February 2014, right before the plane disappeared. There was a tip in early 2014 right after he joined the VPU-2 to the FBI. That's how they started doing the sting on him. So, I'm going and I'm looking at the dates in his case and it goes to May 2014 is when the

right after he joined the VPU-2 to the FBI. That's how they started doing the sting on him. So, I'm going and I'm looking at the dates in his case and it goes to May 2014 is when the videos leaked, May 2014. That's when the cutoff date for these charges is. And you're going, "Wait a minute. February 2014, May 2014?" There's a whole uh amendment in there to the charges where the government and him agreed to significantly change the charges in his interests. This whole addendum, presumably to make the videos not be part of the case anymore publicly, and then therefore do him a favor and not be like, "Well, we're not charging you with espionage. Now in return, we're going to we're going to obfuscate this case and make it look like it's about it's not about these videos, basically." And it And the crazy part is when you read the contents of case, the case doesn't make any sense without the videos. It's like, "Oh, he was talking to some Taiwanese girl that he was interested in. He told her a little more than he should have." So what? Like, who who cares if he just told somebody something? Oh, I told somebody we can teleport something. Who cares? Or he he was talking to a Taiwan Tai or Chinese massage therapist, which the government even admitted is not She's not a foreign agent or anything. Or like, "Oh, he lied on a leave form and said he was going home, but he went to Taiwan." Okay, but but so what? Did he do anything? Like, did he do anything bad? Oh, he kept notes in a notebook about his operations. I mean, yeah, that's technically bad, but did he like show anybody or give it to anyone? No. So you're realizing like there's no overall thing here. But they put him in jail for nine years even after that plea deal. So you're like, "Even after they dropped the charge or they lowered the charge, you put him in jail for nine years? What could be so bad that is related to that?" So I think that that whole case is about MH370. And we can prove it now because A, it shows there's a whole secret classified addendum. The new document says there's a secret classified addendum with all the details of what he already leaked. Like, "Well, holy If we get that, then, you know, game over." But just in case, what if they removed it from the case? Well, there's ways to figure that out, too. Four bodies reviewed the evidence that Edward Lin leaked. Now, I found out how this works. All the special or all the military commands look and they determine if they have an interest. If they have an interest, they say, "Hey, yes, this impacted us. This leak impacted us." And they do an evaluation, called an original classification authority, OCA. The four that reviewed it, the Navy, top brass, which makes sense, right? Edward Lin was in the Navy. Pacific Command, which makes sense because Edward Lin was a VPUU 2 and the Pacific Command. Africa Command. Why would Africa Command be reviewing the the evidence that Edward Lin leaked? Well, wait. Where did that debris in MH370 wash ashore again? Oh, in Africa. Interesting. So, if the operation was If he leaked MH370, it would make sense why I'm why Africa did it, because they teleported the plane west to the Maldives. And the last one, Joint Special Operations Command, also known as JSOC. JSOC was the last one that reviewed the evidence, which pretty much implies that he leaked special operations. He was leaking literal special operations. So, to me, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that Edward Lin is responsible. But then, he didn't directly leak it. It's not like he took the videos and he put them on the internet. He says he wasn't trying to damage national security. He's not a spy. He probably just showed one of his friends or the girl, and then they just gave it to somebody and then it got went on the internet, right? And then, it was an indirect thing, and he's responsible for it because he was negligent. He was supposed to not be saving stuff, not be recording things like that. So, we can FOIA those OCAs. Those OCAs are going to be about like MH370 or about the videos or about Gorgon Stare. Like, even if they redact almost all of it, there's going to be enough context to figure it out. That's what I realized from looking at the overall case. I'm like, "Damn, this context is crazy." Even with This is the stuff they're willing to give us. So, we can get any of that other stuff. And can also just FOIA request reviews that were done from damaging leaks for the VPUU 2, for the Joint Task Force, Cuz you can attack it from Edward Snowden's case, but also from just like, "Hey, why did Joint Task Force 519 shut down? Did it shut down cuz some videos of MH370 leaked and they realized there was a huge breach of uh security and that it's not as a huge risk? So, I'm actually very confident, more confident I've ever been, that I'll actually be able to prove the

videos of MH370 leaked and they realized there was a huge breach of uh security and that it's not as a huge risk? So, I'm actually very confident, more confident I've ever been, that I'll actually be able to prove the videos are real from one of those documents having, you know, corroborating evidence in it. I I See, I've I've never needed more of like You made the case to me enough that I I've just as So, it's always funny to me cuz you're like, "Oh, no, I'm going to get proof." Like, "Uh you know what? Like, I don't need you to disprove the haters." Like, it's It hasn't made sense that it was anybody else. And and his I don't think we'll ever get his motivations cuz like obviously part of the deal was like, "No, like we're going to obfuscate this however we're going to do it. And you're not going to come in later and undo that." So, right. That's probably He doesn't want to reveal it, right? everything else, right? Like, just It's why he doesn't want to come do a victory lap. But it's hard because if you come out and you have FOIA requested documents that, you know, pretty much unequivocally show he's responsible for those videos, it's it becomes very difficult for the media to ignore cuz you know what I do next? Then I just start literally photocopying those and just sending them to MSM journal news stations and New York Times. And then I just start posting I sent these to you on there. Why? Because I just make it more and more awkward. Cuz as you go back to this whole alien thing, there's a narrative that's being pushed. They're asking for immunity. They're trying to blame this stuff on aliens. They're saying that they're sentient plasma orbs, which again, I'm not even against these things, but I can already tell they're going to use that to try to to avoid responsibility for what they did. And so, I want to have all the evidence saying, "Not only did I figure it out what they were hiding, but I even sent it to all your journalists. I talked to your podcast bros. I sent it to your mainstream media guys, and you all ignored the evidence. You didn't just ignore me, you ignored the evidence that was right there that they did it, right? And so, that's you know, maybe the best we can do. And the reality is you may you might be right. Maybe it's not going to move the needle. Maybe it's not going to do much, but I'm in this for the long run, right? I haven't been looking at this in terms of short-term gratification. Like, oh, next month is when we'll get the videos real. I've been looking in terms of like the 10 to 15 to 20 year scale. Like, this is a battle that has been waging for probably 80 years or more of suppression of these technologies. And if I had to guess when they were going to finally tell us about the fusion and the teleportation stuff, probably another 100 years from now. I'm just trying to say, can we pull that back and make that 20 years from now? Even that's a win for me. I might still be alive at that point, as opposed to previously, I don't think we had they were anywhere close to this. So, I I'm honestly totally realistic about the chances and what we're trying to do here. Um I'm just trying to stack the evidence so high that when that day comes, there's no, oh, we didn't we didn't think we didn't believe we didn't think it was possible. Yeah, well, you just ignored the evidence, right? I see, I'm much more optimistic. I think we're going to get some of the technology disclosure soon. I I Not I'm not talking like disclosure day Spielberg movie soon, but like pretty soon. Daniel, you going to go see Disclosure Day? Uh sure. Sure. I Why not? I So, you know what's funny? I me and Jen watched rewatched The X-Files recently. Like, last three or four weeks, we've been binging like old episodes of The X-Files. The wormhole stuff was remarkably prevalent in '90s TV. Like, anything that was science science fiction adjacent, like Starship as or Stargate SG, X-Files kind of crazy how much The X-Files also touched on like the battle between disclosure being actual aliens and it being technology. And like what right whether it was government program I went back and rewatched the like having binged it and not having watched it like all the way through when I was younger. Man, that tripped me out. Like I I Right It's so consistent all the way through and some of the stuff even like on wormhole and orbs and plasmoids like there were instances of right it's all science-fiction is always so far out ahead that I I've always wondered if were is science-fiction the people are just writing the future like if you look at Star Trek and the inventions like that were talked about in Star Trek that if the technology is advancing up to that it's a it's a freaking trip. And it's a it's definitely a chicken-or-egg

the future like if you look at Star Trek and the inventions like that were talked about in Star Trek that if the technology is advancing up to that it's a it's a freaking trip. And it's a it's definitely a chicken-or-egg thing but I think we're I think you're too pessimistic. I think I think we're going to get and find out about a lot more of this because and one of the things that tells me is like your journey which is the fact that that you're still on this path and going down it tells me that they're not as committed to stopping it as they were in the '90s or the 2000s or even 2010. Yeah, the I and you want to know another funny thing is that apparently Arthur C. Clarke was friends with Hal Puthoff. Like these he was one of the three original hard science-fiction writers with Heinlein um and they wrote their whole idea was they were going to write science-fiction that was based on real physics. And so who'd did go? They went the black project engineers, right? So when you see this stuff coming out, why is the real physics so similar to what we see in media? Because they were actually talking to the real engineers that really knew about this. And to me that's some of the best evidence that it really goes back 80 years. I mean those some of these shows and stuff even Star Trek go back a really long way. You know, you got to wonder like if they were telling them about how the physics worked back then, they must have already had some idea. Even if we couldn't engineer it because we didn't have the material science, we still had an idea of how it worked, you know? So that's why the X-Files thing to tell you the truth back then when I watched it, I thought it was stupid that this idea that the government could have built this stuff. I was a full on has to be aliens. The people trying to tell Mulder that they that the government is doing it, those are the disinformation people, right? And now I'm exactly the opposite. It's so crazy. You know, now I'm like, wait, no, they those were the smart ones trying to tell Mulder. Mulder was the brainwashed one thinking that that we can't understand alien technology, right? I really is stranger than fiction. So are we hearing more about UFOs now and unidentified flying objects because that's just more of a distraction from you know, this technology that really we shouldn't be knowing about? Well, honestly who is even talking about the technology before me, right? Like other than these Tesla conferences and stuff like Nobody that I know. I don't know. I don't know you. I don't know who you talk to on Have you Have you ran into anyone who was like, listen Ashton, I'm I'm so happy you're talking about this in 2014 like I've been going down my own rabbit hole and here's some things that I can't put together. Like have you met anybody? Because you're so thorough. I'm listening to you like look up, you know, all of these people on on this guy's reports like and figuring out where they're from from Africa and whatever. Like that is such a that is such a rabbit hole that I feel would be so easily overlooked. There is a community so there are people that have been looking into it but you find it's this very niche community that doesn't get any attention whatsoever and they're even they get even less attention than the alien UFO people get you know and they're mostly like a free energy group of people but you start to dig into them further and you realize like no these are actually people that are looking at zero point energy all the physics is very sound they have legit backgrounds in aerospace or working for defense contractors um so you I So you I so yes there are some people but overall the way that they've been able to hide is we've just been oblivious we've just been completely oblivious to this niche community that's been legit and digging into this and we've just treated as pseudo science and that's the way that we've been able they've been able to hide it without this like almost brainwashing conditioning campaign that gets us to ignore this idea of free energy and think that this is all pseudo science and maybe that ties into why they allowed me to do it you know maybe the things got you know I used to speculate maybe what happened was the disinformation campaign was so successful that now it's flipped on its head now you can't even convince people this stuff's real anymore you know you can't even convince people real physics is real anymore now you can show people the Hal Puthoff papers who they're published in the top physics journals and people just say it's not real it's pseudo science what have you but you're seeing it leak in um in media and in terms of why it's coming out now I think Dustin Niel is like they're kind of tired of covering it up you can only keep this thing secret for so long at some point you just get tired of killing people and discrediting people and committing crimes and doing evil to keep it secret or maybe there was like some kind of prime directive where they're like the moment somebody in the public figures it out on their own is when we have to tell the truth like that seem may seem crazy but who knows man maybe there is some weird thing like that I I I I also tend to think that like maybe they've advanced techno

in the public figures it out on their own is when we have to tell the truth like that seem may seem crazy but who knows man maybe there is some weird thing like that I I I I also tend to think that like maybe they've advanced techno you you say this all the time, and it's spot-on, which is You know what? Once we can defeat, then we don't care if we put it out for everybody, as long as we have the technology that's, you know, next tier. 10 times 10 times greater, more right, more impactful ability to control it in the hands of whoever gets it. But my my guess is that we've had some significant breakthroughs like behind the scenes. That's the information we have to wait 100 years for. Yeah, and it shouldn't be that much of a secret. I would ask or let me ask you, what do you guys think that are all our Department of Energy labs are doing? What do you think they're working on? Right? Like do you ever ask those questions? When I first started digging into them after this, I'm like, you know, you start digging into science, I'm like, okay, what what are our like government-funded like the top labs, what do they work on? I don't know what some are working on. Yeah, right, you don't know anything. It's like, oh, magnetic mirror machines. I'm like, wait, what? Magnetic mirror machines, that's like what the plasmoid is. It's like the whole idea of like trapping these particles so that it stays bounced inside of it, and then eventually shoots out the way you want. And so you start to realize like all this stuff they've been researching is like control of a plasma, uh precision like explosion detonation, which is like the orbs like converging. I just like, wait a minute. If I add up what all the DOE has been doing, all this plasma research, fusion bomb research, it adds up to these orbs, actually. Like that's what's so crazy about it. And so this is what I tell people is like, nobody reads. We just don't look, you know? And I'm not trying to judge people, but I'm just saying like just collectively as a species, we don't look, and we don't check this stuff out, and I didn't either. So for people that are interested in this conversation, what I would say is first thing you want to check out is the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents. Those are the most important papers on the internet. When I finally debate Eric Weinstein, first question, have you read the DIRDs? If you haven't read them, why? And when he tries to be like, well, yeah, I've read them, I'm like, which one's your favorite? Which page? Which Tell me which topics? I've read them all. Like, I'm going to quiz him. Because these papers are all about warp drives, extracting quantum energy, how negative mass propulsion works, uh literally optical cloaking, invisibility, wormholes, everything you could want. It's all there. And Hal Puthoff is the one that got them commissioned from the Defense Intelligence Agency. And they're class- They were classified papers up until like 2017. It's like everything you could possibly want. So, just start there if you don't believe me or whatever, cuz that's where all the secrets are. And this is why I make fun of the UFO people, cuz Hal Puthoff's like their main guy. He's on all their movies. And they're the ones going, "We don't know how this sci- how this alien technology works." I'm like, "Have you looked at his 38 papers that literally explain exactly how the alien technology works?" Might be Might be that. They don't. Like, I It makes me think of all these other areas, like the health, you know, the health world, where I like nothing in medical science is even remotely close, I think, to what actually helps people recover, you know, their health issues. It's all about like quantum, sunlight, mitochondria, you know, like all the blue zones, the best areas in the world that have the healthiest people have crystals underneath the ground. Like, my doctor never told me, "Hey, uh if you want to like lower your inflammation, why don't you just go spend some time, you know, in in one of these areas with the best UVA, UVB sunlight that has crystals below the ground and like walk around on on the ground and get sunlight." Like, my doctor never told me that. I don't know about you guys, but now I'm just I'm just like after this conversation, I think, "Well, now I don't know anything about physics or uh you know, wormholes or any of that in in addition to medicine and health." So, it's me it's easy to just discredit you. Like, it's it's easy to have all the information and then just be told, "Well, this These are just crazy people." Well, That's why I don't know if I'm as optimistic as Dustin is. Although, I I want to be. Well, no, no, here here's the deal though. It's across the board, which is the number of times that I will read a piece of legislation, right? And and now

is. Although, I I want to be. Well, no, no, here here's the deal though. It's across the board, which is the number of times that I will read a piece of legislation, right? And and now they're they're thousands of pages long. On all topics, what's being debated is often 180° from whatever's actually like happening. And that that's every time I've gotten deep on right, whether it's pick an issue. When I've put my what right, because I'm crazy and I can get in the middle of whatever. When I witness something with my own two eyes and then witness how all of the online experts talk about it, I realized that they're like, that's true of like we've gotten into this thing where we believe like the people on the interwebs believe they're the experts and they literally have been like tricked into not looking at any of the real stuff that is available. And and they're So, when I say disclosure, right, the general public are never going to take time and effort to to get to a certain point, but there's always going to be a small group of us who are willing to look deeper and I I think we're getting more and more at like citizen journalism, which is really Ashton, what I think you do. Like right, it forced you to go down science and all these different rabbit holes. But really at the end of the day, what you are is a citizen journalist. Like somebody who's like, "I'm going to figure out what the happened on this thing." It people could pick a topic and I promise it is within the If you really if you dedicate an hour a day for 2 months on any topic, you will realize that the generally accepted wisdom and expertise that you find online is whack. At least surface level, right? Uh Dana with medicine is another great example. Like we we've done all this stuff with doctors. It's crazy how like the difference between doctors who are like working the like health farms are different than like the people who are truly interested in medicine and healing. And and and it's such a sharp divide, but you see it everywhere. And so anyway, stop being so pessimistic. We'll get there, Dana. Don't worry. Yeah, my last thoughts on this would be that My last is the way I you know, I'm not trying to confuse people. I actually I'm trying to I'd say that I'm trying to do the opposite of that. In fact, I would say that the the UFO people that you listen to like on the thing to on the presentation, those are people who are trying to confuse you. Those are people who are trying to say we can't understand what the alien how the alien technology works. We can't understand what these UFOs are. No one can understand where a missing Malaysian plane went, right? Those are people who are trying to confuse you. They're trying to tell you you can't understand anything. You shouldn't try to understand anything. Just tell Just believe whatever we say, right? That's not what I do. I actually do the opposite of that. What I tell you is here's what it is exactly. You can fact-check me. You can double-check it. Please, I even recommend to do so. I tell you to check out the scientific papers that are published that are peer-reviewed that you can come to your own conclusions on. Because I don't want to be someone that's just telling you. I mean, I can do that and people will seem to just want that. Just tell me where the plane went. Tell me how it works. We can do that. But I prefer to just show you and say check out the book Faster Than Light. Listen to how he explains how unlabored acceleration works. Check out the math yourself. You'll think you'll find that it checks out. That's what I want to teach you. I want to empower people. I want to teach a man to fish. Because like Dustin said, this is the only way where we're going to get out of this is if we finally empower ourselves, teach ourselves to learn about what's going on in the world. And I think that's why you find people are educated. So, last thing is what I'll say is that you know, look into the fusion companies. Helion Fusion just had a new valuation. They're now valued at $15 billion according to their internal uh fundraising, basically. Their new valuation value is at $15 billion. I think Donald J. Trump Donald Trump's stock uh Trump Media Group just merged with Try Alpha Energy. And they're only valued at like, I think based on their stock price, like $3 billion. Like, you know, relatively low. And they just now announced today this new push for commercial fusion from the national federal level. If I'm right, those are the two companies that are like going to be the next big thing. So, keep an eye on that. That's the best advice I can give you. Well, and learn learn to recognize when the the information you want to look at is the one like look for the red flags of what they're trying to hide and dig into that stuff. Like that to me, that's the all If you learn to discern when you're being misled, it's how you can avoid all the COVID crazy like medicine, science, government. Look at how Once you learn

hide and dig into that stuff. Like that to me, that's the all If you learn to discern when you're being misled, it's how you can avoid all the COVID crazy like medicine, science, government. Look at how Once you learn how they're trying to re-engineer the narrative, like it it becomes very blatant. That's where you start to learn to dig in and where you can find like the juicy tidbits that can really Ashton, always great to see you, bro. Incredible conversation. And check out Ashton's And I I told you this one would be amazing. I know. We're so excited. Just X Ashton. So, that's where that's where I've been living lately. So, you guys will have to check out your YouTube channel. Please come back. Thank you so much, Ashton. And we do this every Tuesday. Cheers, guys. So, please come back. Anytime you want. Okay. Bye you guys.